tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post1749626350242816120..comments2023-10-04T07:48:54.384-04:00Comments on oenoLogic: Adventures in the skin tradethor iversonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16189098900228936573noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-86023351297767747102009-09-02T18:59:23.723-04:002009-09-02T18:59:23.723-04:00Thanks, Elisa. Good luck with the MW.Thanks, Elisa. Good luck with the MW.thor iversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16189098900228936573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-33938274605612264622009-08-30T22:23:54.451-04:002009-08-30T22:23:54.451-04:00Excellent and interesting post. Thanks.Excellent and interesting post. Thanks.E https://www.blogger.com/profile/13447258553592428211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-85467717104083605942009-08-14T10:31:57.093-04:002009-08-14T10:31:57.093-04:00I enjoyed many of the wines, and I enjoyed the opp...I enjoyed many of the wines, and I enjoyed the opportunity to taste them this way. But as noted in the summary text, when it came down to it tasting them in this fashion diminished my overall enjoyment of the wines. I just don't think they're suited to big comparative/competitive groupings like this...not that I think <i>many</i> wines are, but rather that this are particularly ill-suited to the collation.<br /><br />I've had a few orange wines <a href="http://oenologictn.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">since</a> the tasting that I've enjoyed more, and perhaps more relevantly I've enjoyed them as much as I'd expected.<br /><br />But were I to do this again, I'd go in knowing that the pleasure would be strictly academic.thor iversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16189098900228936573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-56073848690417056842009-08-14T00:31:02.619-04:002009-08-14T00:31:02.619-04:00I'm with Vinogirl. It didn't sound like yo...I'm with Vinogirl. It didn't sound like you enjoyed them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-38347960195785146532009-08-07T17:46:10.763-04:002009-08-07T17:46:10.763-04:00I have read several others about this particular t...<i>I have read several others about this particular tasting and yours wins, hands down.</i><br /><br />Yay, I win!<br /><br /><i>Ultimately, I have a 'why bother' reaction to all of this, (possibly because I am more interested in viticulture), but I don't feel a need to drink every type of whatever-way-fermented grape juice to prove I am a bigger wine lover than my neighbour...I just drink what I like.</i><br /><br />I think you're reading a little too much into the text. ;-)<br /><br />I do enjoy these wines for the experience, and I do enjoy constantly broadening my experience, but with experience has come actual affection. I haven't been without a little selection of orange wines for a few years now, that selection is growing, and I'm increasingly intrigued by the category. Part of that is that the category gets broader with each new entrant, which means more for me to explore.thor iversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16189098900228936573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-54078538939381803082009-08-06T12:06:21.791-04:002009-08-06T12:06:21.791-04:00I love this post. I have read several others about...I love this post. I have read several others about this particular tasting and yours wins, hands down.<br />My first thought was how do these wines age, but you so extensively described the older wines that my curiosity was satisfied.<br />Ultimately, I have a 'why bother' reaction to all of this, (possibly because I am more interested in viticulture), but I don't feel a need to drink every type of whatever-way-fermented grape juice to prove I am a bigger wine lover than my neighbour...I just drink what I like. In this way I don't have to take a break from anything I wasn't too fussy about in the first place!Vinogirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10145696108646897751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-39085232150768854572009-08-05T16:41:02.478-04:002009-08-05T16:41:02.478-04:00Jen, thanks. I've love to explore the Wind Gap...Jen, thanks. I've love to explore the Wind Gap in a little more isolation, but I don't expect we'll see it in Boston anytime soon. Next trip to the West Coast, perhaps.<br /><br />As for Scholium Project, "The Prince in His Caves" was one of my first experiences with the label, and while I didn't adore it, it was at least interesting. It was all downhill from there, alas. That's why I was as surprised about my positive reaction to the one in these notes.<br /><br />Slaton, terrific notes, thanks. I agree that temperature is a hassle, especially given the variability of styles; some wines really need to be room temp, others need to be chilled, and some are unrecognizable after mere five-degree shifts. Levi did an admirable job trying to manage this at our tasting, but there's still a highly-interactive component to it.thor iversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16189098900228936573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-15488795930292871272009-08-04T20:11:20.929-04:002009-08-04T20:11:20.929-04:00A very interesting read, Thor.
As the organizer o...A very interesting read, Thor.<br /><br />As the organizer of the unofficial "sister" orange wine event in San Francisco, which took place the following night, I had to deal with the temperature issue as well. Based on previous experiences with several of the wines, I erred on the side of serving them too warm. This worked well for the first half of the evening, but was a bit of a problem later in the evening, as our tiny restaurant heated up. But even so, there was simply no room for ice buckets on our tables.<br /><br />(For the curious, I've just <a href="http://bit.ly/1aqOqb" rel="nofollow">posted some notes</a> from our tasting. Joe Manekin has also <a href="http://oldworldoldschool.blogspot.com/2009/07/orange-wines-la-cucina-di-sardegna-at.html" rel="nofollow">blogged about it</a>.)slatonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620388673974831860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-42991873534808087522009-08-04T12:57:44.155-04:002009-08-04T12:57:44.155-04:00Great roundup! LOVE the Wind Gap Pinot Gris, which...Great roundup! LOVE the Wind Gap Pinot Gris, which we carry in our CA focused retail shop. I generally find the Scholium stuff undrinkable but I have to make an exception for the Prince in his Caves, which is a Sauvignon Blanc that I believe would qualify as an "orange wine." Cheers.Jenhttp://cawinemerchants.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-84254335088207680372009-08-04T08:20:40.382-04:002009-08-04T08:20:40.382-04:00I think it was pretty clear that you're not a ...I think it was pretty clear that you're not a subscriber, Thor. Perhaps I should have made that clearer.... I was addressing the argument itself.<br /><br />Again, great post.David McDuffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03274955351036700406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-74368988643019349812009-08-03T17:45:17.981-04:002009-08-03T17:45:17.981-04:00I think we all need a little break at the moment, ...I think we all need a little break at the moment, but I can conceive a sequel. Maybe we'll take the show on the road, though it would be hard to beat the combination of Levi Dalton's commitment and Convivio's fabulous food.<br /><br />Regarding the manipulation question, I raised it because it's one of the most common objections to the style, but I should have been clearer that I don't subscribe to the charge.thor iversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16189098900228936573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-56775719224828961162009-08-03T17:40:38.411-04:002009-08-03T17:40:38.411-04:00Well done, Thor. If indeed there is a sequel, I&#...Well done, Thor. If indeed there is a sequel, I'd love to come up for it (hint, hint -- just in case Levi's tuning in). <br /><br />As for the manipulation question:<br /><br /><i>For some, orange wines are anything but natural, no matter how historical a vinification they might represent. The transformation of a white wine into such a state, the argument goes, is as profound a manipulation as any.</i><br /><br />I can see this argument being made, in the sense that choosing skin contact will heavily influence the final state of the wine. However, I don't really see making a white with skin contact as any more manipulative than making a white wine without skin contact. It's just one of many choices/decisions a winemaker faces.David McDuffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03274955351036700406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-88336640166302293892009-08-03T14:39:09.178-04:002009-08-03T14:39:09.178-04:00I advise a less generous quantity than we attempte...I advise a less generous quantity than we attempted. ;-)thor iversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16189098900228936573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-27507342372612217292009-08-03T14:33:13.060-04:002009-08-03T14:33:13.060-04:00Awesome. Most comprehensive list of Orange wines ...Awesome. Most comprehensive list of Orange wines I've seen. Gotta go out and get some of these.Alderhttp://www.vinography.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-3107899614202656652009-08-03T01:51:59.147-04:002009-08-03T01:51:59.147-04:00Thank you. Very interesting thoughts, to which I r...Thank you. Very interesting thoughts, to which I responded on your blog. It took me a long while to read it in a language I love but don't speak very well, but it was worth the effort.thor iversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16189098900228936573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-79970394655422325442009-08-03T01:40:28.830-04:002009-08-03T01:40:28.830-04:00hello there, I really liked your post and I put a ...hello there, I really liked your post and I put a link on my blog and made another post on it with the contribution of another fellow winemaker (http://poggioargentiera.com/blog/2009/08/03/natural-wines-un-punto-di-vista-di-giampi-moretti/)<br />Unfortunately all is in Italian, I don't know if you can read that.Gianpaolo Pagliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02293542759527369574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-84142005071316981932009-08-01T10:40:02.275-04:002009-08-01T10:40:02.275-04:00Well, that's why I write stuff down. Otherwise...Well, that's why I write stuff down. Otherwise, forget it.thor iversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16189098900228936573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19631515.post-65264854987235469972009-08-01T08:15:09.525-04:002009-08-01T08:15:09.525-04:00Great write up. your recall of the evening is MUCH...Great write up. your recall of the evening is MUCH better than mine!Scott Reinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14009533038751216766noreply@blogger.com